Anthony: 0:00

make crypto for the masses. We need to start thinking like the masses and addressing the needs of the masses, not the needs of the blockchain world or the blockchain space or the crypto world. That population is very small in relation to the rest of the world, so we're making it simple for grandma to do it, and if grandma to do it can do it, then anybody can do it.

Joeri: 0:21

Hello everyone and welcome to the Web3 CMO Stories podcast. My name is Joeri Billast and I'm your podcast host, and today I'm very honored to be joined by Anthony. Hey, anthony, how are you? How are you doing, Joeri? I'm really good. Anthony Guys, if you don't know, anthony Diaz he's the founder and the chairman of Zenza Capital and the RYO project, crypto for the Masses, and also the sponsor of this podcast. Really grateful for that. I'm really grateful that you made time for us, Anthony, today. It's an exciting period for RYO. You just launched, or are launching, RYO-Chan. Can you explain to my audience what is RYO-Chan and what inspired the creation of it?

Anthony: 1:08

Well, you know, as you know, you were with me in BFC and you are our moderator, which we had an awesome time at the RYO-Chan Futures Conference in Canada last summer, and we just launched RYO Coin and it was a tremendous success. It's listed right now on four exchanges For your listeners. Now on four exchanges for your listeners, they can go to ryocoin. com and see that that's our coin, like Bitcoin and all the other altcoins out there. And then we just recently launched our meme token, which is called RealChain, and what we did is we saw the growth of the meme craze that was happening and again, we always look at it from a user's perspective and we said what's the point of a meme token? What can you do with it? And realize that most meme tokens have no utility?

Anthony: 1:56

And so what we did last year is we were creating the real coin and we said you know what, if we launch a meme token, we need to have utility.

Anthony: 2:10

And so what RealChina is is it's an AI driven platform that does smart contract analysis on other meme tokens, as well as AI portfolio management, and that's what it was for.

Anthony: 2:16

So we based it around a real mascot named RYO, which was what this project was named after and he's our puppy and you're going to see him on the website because we're going to put a button there on the website that's going to show real life RYO and what he does every day, because he comes to the office every day. But we wanted to have a meme token that people can rally around, just like Doge and the other meme tokens out there. But this meme token has utility not only with smart contract analysis, not only with AI portfolio management, but it also, when you get these tokens, you're going to be able to utilize it in the real coin ecosystem and go shopping on our global mall, go to our ATM network and utilize real China in our life wallet. So it's all part of the same family and that's that's what we're so excited because we we say our meme token has a purpose. It's a meme token with mission.

Joeri: 3:19

Right, yeah, I love that. The mission, the mission of RYO, the mission of your token, like you mentioned, it's part of a broader ecosystem.

Anthony: 3:36

Yeah, when we first started RYO you know RYO Coin we didn't want to. I always tell this in my other interviews. I didn't plan on getting into the blockchain space. I didn't plan on starting our own token. We got involved.

Anthony: 3:48

The first major exchange in japan was here in tokyo and shibuya was called mount gox. That was the first global exchange in the world and it launched in 2011 and it shut down in 2014. But we were here during that flashpoint and saw the crazy momentum that bitcoin had and that's why we wanted to bring Bitcoin into our regular business, because we do health and nutritional supplements and beauty care here in Japan. We've been doing that for 30 years. And so we said you know what? We want to bring Bitcoin in as a payment system into our normal business. And boy, that was a nightmare. It wasn't ready. Onboarding with Bitcoin. This was, you know, 2013.

Anthony: 4:30

We were early adopters of Bitcoin way back in 2013. We were big buyers of Bitcoin back then when it was super cheap. But we tried it and it was so difficult and we tried it again and it was. We thought that, you know, when they launched the Lightning Network and they were launching that and we thought that would work. And you know, that's when we said in 2017, we said you know what? We need to launch our own Bitcoin that will satisfy what we want from a consumer's perspective, not from a technology's perspective. So we always led with marketing and consumer driven first, so we lead with what the market needs and then we built the technology around that, and so that's why RYO Coin was started and we said you know, we just don't want a token, because Bitcoin was created as a peer-to-peer network where you were actually going to be able to trade value.

Anthony: 5:20

You know, and it never worked out that way. So we said you know what? We need to create a token that people can use on the daily to go shopping. Who else accepts cryptocurrency in Japan for shopping? Nobody did.

Anthony: 5:32

So we said, oh, we need to start an e-commerce platform. So everything we did was based out of necessity. So we did the e-commerce platform. And how do you get on that e-commerce platform in a mobile platform? Oh, we need to create our own wallet. So we created a life wallet. That's part of the ecosystem. So you have a life wallet so you can store all your crypto assets, but you can also go shopping on the global mall through the life wallet.

Anthony: 5:57

And then, last but not least, is we own our own license exchange. Here in Japan. That's the only exchange that's licensed to do crypto ATMs, and so now we're launching a crypto ATM network all over Japan that people can there's an on-ramp and an off-ramp where they could take actual fiat, put it into the machine, on-ramp their crypto into their life wallet and then go shopping. And so that's what we wanted to do was bring crypto down to the masses, and that's what the whole RYO ecosystem is about. And now, with Riochan, it even makes it much more engaging, because now we have a token, we have, we have a. We have a huge database here in Japan of over 300000 followers in our customers and database in our health and nutrition company and our beauty company. But over 100,000 of those people actually nearing 120,000 are now moving over and are real coin supporters, and now they're going to be real China fans, and once we launch that effectively here, then we're going to launch it globally. Japan is always kind of like our working sandbox.

Joeri: 7:06

Right, yeah. So, as you know, lots of the listeners are coming from Europe and from the US and North America and so on. So if those people are interested, you know, in getting RYO, getting RYO Coin, getting the live wallet, getting RYO-Chan, how could they do that? What are the steps?

Anthony: 7:25

You could go to ryocoin. com and then you'll see right there that we're Certik verified, KYC, you know Certik verified and then you'll see the four exchanges that were on there and I think I believe, as of today, we're trading at about $10.68 was the last I saw and that's for real coin, the floating coin on the market like other altcoins. And then real chan. You can go to real chan. com and we're going through a pre-sale right now and we got three phases of the pre-sale and right now this phase is the first phase. It's the lowest price that you can buy right now and then, once that's sold out, then it goes to phase two and phase three.

Anthony: 8:01

And so there's a widget right now on realchoncom that people could go on. It's very self-explanatory. They just load their personal wallet, they copy the address and then they go and take Solana and send it to that address from their own personal wallet. Do not send it from a exchange wallet. You have to send it from your own personal Solana-based wallet and send it over, and then they'll have a confirmation that you are in the pre-sale. This is how many coins you're going to get and then when the token generation event happens, that's when it's all deployed back into your wallets.

Joeri: 8:38

Yeah, great, I know the steps are mentioned on your website. I will also mention them on the show notes linked to this podcast episode that people can check how it is working. As you mentioned, it's not with a central exchange that you should do it. It's you need to Solana for that. So, yeah, it's exciting. You mentioned that people can put it in a Solana wallet. There is also the LifeWallet that I think it's launching in Japan and then will go to the rest of the world, which I'm also very excited about.

Anthony: 9:04

Yeah, that's really exciting because, you know, we've been working on this LifeWallet and it's not just a wallet like Exodus or other wallets like Mew or Metamask. It's a crypto wallet, but it's also a web browser and it's also that's why it's called the LifeWallet. Everything we're putting it's a super app, and so we got a very unique feature where you're going to be able to send I can send you crypto simply by chatting, by sending it. I send it to your email address through chatting and then we can exchange the digital assets in a simple, user-friendly environment. That's not very complicated because, let's face it, guys, if we want to make crypto for the masses, we need to start thinking like the masses and addressing the needs of the masses, not the needs of the blockchain world or the blockchain space or the crypto world. That population is very small in relation to the rest of the world, so we are making it simple for grandma to do it, and if grandma to do it can do it, then anybody can do it, and that's the beauty of how we're approaching this whole market and Japan.

Anthony: 10:12

And why Japan? It's because Japan is the most trustworthy country in the world when it comes to building. You know technology and the culture and it's really. I've been here for over 30 years and it's truly. I've been around the world and Japan is truly like the perfect society. Crime is almost at zero. Trust is everything. Your face and your reputation and your name is everything above anything else, above profits, and when you lose that, when you lose face they call it in Japan when you lose face, you lose everything. So you only have one time to make a first reputable impression in Japan. And you know, we have been here for 30 years as foreigners, operating very successfully, and that's why they've embraced this project.

Anthony: 11:00

And, most importantly, Joeri, that most people don't know. The name RYO is an ancient name. It was the first monetary system in Japan. So there was the first money system in Japan was called RYO, and RYO the way they really pronounce it's RYO and R. RYO was the first medium of exchange when they first established a money system and then, of course, now it became the yen and what we did is just we trademarked it. We have the trademark of real coin and real and anything real in Japan and what we're doing is just we're giving it where it's being reborn into the digital age, and so we want RYO to be the Bitcoin of Japan, the way Bitcoin was supposed to be, where it was peer to peer.

Joeri: 11:45

I love that. Yeah, I love the whole story behind it. I love the utility, as you mentioned already a few times, Anthony People. Now looking at crypto, you mentioned crypto for the masses. Sometimes they are still a bit scared about crypto. You know they are scared about scams and so on. One of the things or the utilities linked to RYO-Chan is the AI companion. Can you explain a bit what that does?

Anthony: 12:12

Yeah, what we're building out right now is it's going to be a unique platform that you're going to be able to go in and give parameters to Riochan, to the AI companion, and say, look, here's what is it. For example, what is the top 10 meme coins trading out there? And then they'll tell you and they'll say, okay, I only have a thousand dollars, what is the top five you invest in and can you give me a spread on it? And they'll tell you, okay, based on those parameters, 30% should go to here, 20% to go to here, blah, blah, blah the five. And then you can say, okay, I would like to invest in these coins, but give me the best parameters of when to get in and when to get out. And so you can really drill down on this AI platform to give it parameters for its base.

Anthony: 12:59

It's like, basically, an AI agent that's working for you, on your behalf, and then it'll tell you, okay, based on these, do you like? Do you like what you see? Would you like to execute these trades? And you say yes, and you could put the stop losses in there, everything in the parameters. And then you say yes, you hook your wallet up to it and then it does a final and says please confirm final before I execute. You do it go to bed and it executes your trades for you in and out of those coins. However way you build the parameters, it works on your behalf well, yeah, that's really seems, because the stop losses.

Joeri: 14:43

what you just mentioned is also important, not only about about. Is it really true, is it not a scam? And all the parameters? It's like the stock market right, but it really did not exist for crypto and now you have something that really gets the value.

Anthony: 14:58

Yeah, so that AI agent the AI agent for the portfolio is amazing, but even the smart contract analysis, because there's a lot of meme tokens that are coming out into the market right now and you need to double check, because look what happened to Hoptua Big scam, rug pull, 50 million dollars gone. You know what I mean. Where now you could take that Hoptua contract, drop it into our platform and it does a full contract analysis of where the coins are, is it segregated in any major wallets, that's holding and it's more centralized. Is it a scam, is it a rug pull? And it does a whole contract analysis to let you know and we rate it. And then it'll go great, good, not so good, run away and it'll rate it and they'll tell you. So average people will come on board and go. Okay, now I have a little bit of a safety because I have this mechanism that I'm allowed to. I mean, that allows me to plug in and then I can see is this something I'm willing to take the risk on? And you know, depending on your risk appetite. But what it does is it takes away 80% of the unknown and then the other 20% is your gut, you know, and so, and then you, then you roll with it. So that's what we wanted to do with with with real China's, have the smart contract analysis and also the AI. You know, agent trading, but portfolio trading platform On top of that.

Anthony: 16:24

The third phase we're rolling into is we're launching a Rio-chan game. It's called Rio-chan Adventures and it shows RYO as you see the mascot. He's going through the kingdom in Japan and it's all based on Japanese samurai lore and he goes and he's trying to help the poor by trying to find the real coins in different scenarios and he has to fight the bad guys and he gets points and as you get points, those points you're going to be able to convert over to real chan, which now has monetary value, and you're going to be able to use that shopping or cash out at the at the atm exchanges. So you know that's what we're. That's the ultimate.

Anthony: 17:05

The gaming is the ultimate to me because, just like pokemon go, what we're going to be doing I can't just like Pokemon Go. What we're going to be doing I can't divulge it now, but what we're going to be doing is is Pokemon Go on steroids and people are going to be able to. It's going to be good for advertising. It's going to be good for merchants as well as consumers. We get to monetize that and the people that are in the RYO-Chan ecosystem are going to get to partake in that whole exchange system that we'll be revealing. Hopefully we're in the architectural stage right now of the game and we're going to start coding the game, I believe, in a month and we're hoping to launch that the last quarter of this year, the fourth quarter of this year.

Joeri: 17:48

Exciting plans and I love how it all comes together. You know all the positive parts of Web3. Another thing you mentioned about the community in Japan. Community building is something definitely you are doing with RYO. . There is a concept called RYOnin, linked to RYO-Chan, so the early supporter concept. Can you explain the strategy behind it?

Anthony: 18:12

Yeah, it's similar to a Ronin. A Ronin is a rogue independent samurai. In the olden days it was called Ronins. Ours we just called it Rionin. And the Rionin are the first adopters of this platform and what they get to do is, when you become a founding Ryonin everyone's a Ryonin in the Bios Real Charm. But when you become a founding Ryonin, during the pre-sale phases, you guys are going to get special alerts and updates of the progress of what we're doing and special concessions because you're the early adopter and the more you go out there and support us and chat about us and talk about us, we have special rewards and incentives to give to the founding Rionans. And then we're going to have leaderboards set up so you're going to be able to have your name on the leaderboards and how much you've done and what you contributed to the community. Or you know, with RYO-Chan we also have 5% of all. The proceeds are going to animal rights basically, and we help the sheltering and help the abused animals out there in the market. And so what we do is we're going to and you're going to be able to choose through a charity where you want your 5% to go, because we're going to have a charity list and you're going to be able to send out and, based on how much activity you do that, that will also give you special incentives on the leaderboard. You know this ecosystem. What we're doing with the ecosystem is we're trying to bring crypto where it's not. We don't want to talk about crypto, we don't want to talk about blockchain. We just want to talk about convenience. The blockchain space is supposed to add convenience to our life, not add complexities to our life, and right now, the way the market is going, it's pretty complex.

Anthony: 19:57

I've been in the space for a long time and I'm dealing with all my developers and even me. I'm 61 years old, yuri. I'm long in the tooth, I'm not a young spring chicken anymore. I'm long in the tooth, I'm not a young spring chicken anymore, and it's harder and harder. Imagine I'm in the space 100% every day. Imagine somebody my age who doesn't even understand this space. That's what the difficult part is in the whole ecosystem.

Anthony: 20:21

Is we need to, and why we designed this ecosystem is we need to bring crypto down to the ease of use, like credit cards. You know, everybody understands a credit card. They take it out of their pocket, they go to the store and go beep, beep. They buy their goods, go out to convenience and walk home. They don't think about, oh, how are they reconciling this payment or how is this working? And I wonder if they're going to. Nobody thinks about that, and that's 90%. 95% of the population, maybe even 99.5% of the population, is like that. So we need to build the technology stacks that address it in that kind of a language so that we can get it out there and make Web3 real. Because Web3 right now, yuri, as you know, you've been around the space a long time. It's still conceptual, it's a concept work in progress, but it's not real to everyday users. They don't understand it because they go what's Web3? I'm on the web now, but they don't understand that Web3 is the value aspect of the web, where you're able to exchange value by utilizing the web, and that's through blockchain.

Anthony: 21:29

Blockchain is the engine that operates Web3. But we have a tendency to talk about the technology rather than talk about why it's going to benefit your life. Remember when the Internet launched in 1995? Nobody was talking about how the Internet works and for some reason, in the blockchain space, we get into the weeds and talk about the interoperability of the blockchain, but nobody cares about that. They just want to know how's it going to benefit my life. It's going to be too complicated, I don't want it, but if it's going to make my life a lot simpler, then that's how I'll adopt it and that's why on our life wallet, one of our catchphrases it says life simplified. Our goal is to take things off of your plate, not add more food on your plate, and I think right now, as I mentioned in Blockchain Futures Conference, I said everyone's leading with technology. We need to lead with marketing to the consumer and let technology dictate that technology. Yeah, and I think that's what everyone's missing right now.

Joeri: 22:38

Absolutely. It's not about the technology. It's about the story that you mentioned, about utility, about what people can get out of it, how it is making their life better. You just mentioned marketing to the consumer. What is at the moment working the best for RYO, you know, to communicate towards your community, your consumer, for them to engage with RYO, to learn more about RYO, to get involved.

Anthony: 23:05

Yeah, we need to let them. We need to let people come into web 3 not knowing they walked into web 3. You know what I mean. It's just they need to think it's an evolution of the internet they're in now. It's just new things that are being done on in the internet, of what they know now. If we can do that seamlessly without having to bump them up against, you need to know this technology or this a proof of state, proof of work, proof of authority, proof of all these different languages in the blockchain space.

Anthony: 23:35

People don't care about that and it will never be adopted, just like Nike. See, I'm a marketing when it comes to hard, good marketing, like health and nutrition supplements and beauty care. The beauty about Nike is when I say, just do it, everyone gets it. They don't need to. Because when you say just do it, all these connotations come into your mind Michael Jordan, the basketball, and you empower that instantly without having to understand what it is. You just want the shoe because it makes you feel better and it makes you try to be better. And the same thing with Red Bull.

Anthony: 24:13

Red Bull, the greatest advertising I've ever seen in my whole career was. There's a little Red Bull car parked outside on the street, there's a pretty young lady in a skirt and she's cracking open Red Bull and just giving it to people. She's not even explaining here's the ingredients, and this is why it's so good and why it keeps you energized. No, they just give it to you, you drink it, you go wow, what is this stuff? And then people buy it because seeing you didn't have to talk about why you need this energy drink or why Red Bull is better than Monster. No, they just try it, you'll feel it, you'll buy it, and that's what we need to do with technology. People just need to be able to try it and they experience it and they'll use it. And that's what we're overcoming.

Anthony: 24:59

And it's a huge roadblock because you're going up against every seminar. I've been to, every call I've been on, every conference I've been in of blockchain experts, but nobody's talking to the people that are at the event, hosting the event, like the people that are serving the water or the people that are serving the food. How do you talk to them about it? You know what I mean. You and I had that lengthy discussion in Canada and I think that's why we resonated a lot in Canada, a lot of the people in Canada came up to us and they were like God, that's the first time we've ever heard of anybody talk in a conference like this. You know, and that's what you do so brilliantly, yuri, is because you're trying to do stories and stories. You know stories sell. You know facts. Facts tell, stories sell. And when you tell stories, people, people can understand what you're talking about a lot easier to. It's a lot easier. It's a lot easier to digest than facts and bullet points and facts. That stuff doesn't work to me.

Joeri: 26:03

Absolutely, like also the metaphors that you have been using and like you know how people look at stories, they can understand. It makes sense to them. Yeah, depending also who you talk to. Like you said people that giving the water serving the water at an event, what are you doing? I try to explain to them. Yeah, depending also who you talk to, like you said people that are giving the water serving the water at an event, what are you doing? I try to explain to them what it is and what's the benefit they can get out of it, of course. So if that would be the advice you would give to marketers, to people in Web3, make it about stories, make it simple.

Anthony: 26:37

Absolutely. I look at, for example, token 2049 is happening at the end of this month in Dubai. A lot of people are going to descend on that market, but it's a little echo chamber that everybody in that market is talking about themselves and why it's great, and VCs and all that. But what about the people that are at the hub? There's millions more people outside of that ecosystem in Dubai that are serving the hotels that you're staying at and the taxis that you're driving in and the Ubers and the bars at the restaurants. Those are the people that need to understand why you're there in Dubai at Token 2049. Because talking to the same people, it's not benefiting the masses. You're talking amongst people that understand the blockchain story already and all you're doing is networking to try to get you know an added advantage from the competition. But it's still a small population of people.

Anthony: 27:34

You know I mentioned on a previous call that in Japan we have 123 million people in Japan and there's probably 11 million registered crypto traders on all the exchanges across Japan 11 million, you know. So when you're looking at that, that's about what 7.5% of the population. But out of that 11 million Yuri, only 500,000 are active traders. 11 million, 11 million registered. They maybe bought one Bitcoin and you know, and that's it. But 500,000 are actual traders that are trading, and then out of those 500,000, there's probably 50,000 that are expert traders in Japan. So when you, when you break it down like that and even to the 500 000 compared to 123 million, you're going I'm catering to this population of 500 000, but yet I'm ignoring the other 122.5 million people.

Anthony: 28:33

See, that's what we're trying to go. We're trying to go in and target the masses so that our real coin and our story it's just another payment system for convenience. The blockchain is going to take care of itself in the background. The front ground is on the front. What we're doing is convenience, simplicity and making your life easier, and I think that's the missing piece in the whole blockchain space is nobody's talking about that. Everyone's talking about what everyone else in the blockchain space knows and are talking about. I don't really need to go to Token 2049 and find out what other people are doing. It's all over the internet. I can go, look at the previous Token 2049 in Singapore and say who are their attendants there and I can see exactly what each of their protocols and what they're doing, what they're trying to do in that space. But none of them has ever showed, or I read anywhere that says and we're doing this for my grandmother so that she can buy groceries. You know what I mean.

Joeri: 29:35

Yeah, go ahead.

Anthony: 29:39

No, that's it. That's the biggest, that's the biggest challenge I see in the whole space and we're trying to instead of talk about it. We don't like to talk, we like to do so. We're just doing it and we're trying to prove. You know, we're kind of trying to prove this concept and we are proving it. It's working and it's a little bit longer. It's a little bit longer grind to do it. But I got to tell you, when people start seeing what we're doing and it's convenient it's going to start a wildfire, because Japan is always the first market. When you conquer Japan, I always say it's like killing the shogun. When you conquer Japan, you win the war in Asia. If you win in Japan, korea, thailand, hong Kong, Philippines, indonesia, taiwan and South Korea, all these countries will automatically bow down and adopt what you're doing. It's proven in everything Japan does.

Joeri: 30:35

So it's like going on a mountain afterwards. It's downhill, right Exactly.

Anthony: 30:40

Very difficult uphill and right now we're still at the upper part and we're pushing a big rock over the top. But we know that within a year's time or a year and a half, we're going to get over that ridge and we're just going to watch how this thing develops. Especially now, yuri, with AI, with the advent of AI, what we're doing right now, what you and I are talking about on the space right now, I don't think the AI world is telling us exactly how advanced AI is. People are looking at chat, gpt and that's what they're allowing us to look under the covers and see oh, this is what you're, because this is what you guys can handle. But what AI is doing right now is far greater and far more superior than we can even understand.

Anthony: 31:25

And the next two years is going. The AI is going to change the game in the world, and if you're not, if you're not thinking about that or utilizing that or understanding how that's going to impact society, then you're going to be left behind, and we want to make sure that we are always on the cutting edge with our AI, with Riochan. I mean, we're not going to have the answers to all the problems out there in the world, but at least in the Web3 space we have a solution for that. But at least in the Web3 space we have a solution for that. You know, ai is going to solve so many things in medical and you know, space and automotive. But in the crypto space, in the finance space, in the e-commerce space, at least we have an answer for that. You know, and that's what we're working towards very, very diligently.

Joeri: 32:12

I love it. Indeed, ai the power of AI is so huge that you cannot even imagine what we can see and what is still there. It's like a tip of the iceberg.

Anthony: 32:22

I mean, I remember you remember five years ago, everyone said get into coding. Coding is where it's at. You got to be a coder because that's the future. You don't need to be a coder anymore because now AI is coding. So what you need to be the people that are going to lead the world in the tech space are the idea. People Are the idea. People and the marketing Because AI.

Anthony: 32:43

You come up with the idea. Ai will create an app for you. You come up with the idea. Ai will create a platform for you based on that idea, because it'll go out and aggregate all the things that are happening all there and you could say I want it to be a little bit of Instagram, a little bit of Facebook, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, but I want it to have this user interface. And you keep drilling it down and, voila boom, they code it for you and then now you deploy it. That's happening right now in a major way, but most people don't understand. Most people don't understand that. The things that you're seeing right now, that people are trying to say, oh, I coded this. That guy probably used AI in some way, shape or form to develop that code, but he's trying to say I did it with my team. To me it's BS, these guys. Ai is so much further along than they're leading us to believe.

Joeri: 33:37

Absolutely. And, by the way, guys, this is a real episode. It's the real Anthony that I'm talking to, because these days, so many things are possible. Anthony, we're coming towards the end of this podcast episode. Is there one final message that you want to give to the audience?

Anthony: 33:55

I think that what we've seen in the past, just in blockchain, what we've seen, you know, since the advent of Bitcoin's white paper, back, you know, in 2008, 2009,. Till now, what are we in this 15, 16 years now, Joeri, 16 years, what we have seen develop in the blockchain space in this past 16 years? We're going to supersede all that development just in the next year and I think that if we don't embrace the change that's coming, you will be left behind. And I'm trying my best. I don't have all the answers and we're trying to keep up because it's moving at such a rapid pace. I mean, imagine the chat GPT. Just two years ago, nobody could even fathom that you could just type in something and chat GPT, chat GPT. Google's trying to catch up right now because that's the new browser, that's the new. You know, that's the. If you want to ask anything, just go to chat GPT or deep seek, or deep seek, or. Or you know XAI, which I'm a big supporter of XAI. I think it's, it's probably one of the best out there.

Anthony: 35:00

But you know, I think that my, my final saying is just, you know, brace yourself, because I think the next, we're in a really exciting time.

Anthony: 35:10

We're in really exciting times that I wish I was younger, yuri.

Anthony: 35:14

I wish I was like 30, knowing what I know now, because I'm 61.

Anthony: 35:19

That means if I was 30, I got 31 more years to see and help develop this amazing space that's transforming in front of us and it's really exciting time. It's really an exciting time to be alive, really, because we're going to see things that were only dreams to us 20 years ago and now it's becoming a reality and I want to be a part of that. I want to contribute to that, not just so I can make money and become successful. I want to leave a mark in that space and say I contributed, and I hope that your listeners who are in this space feel the same way that you know, collectively, we have to contribute to move this space forward and not just be in our own in our own echo chamber in the basement doing our own thing. You know we need to do it where it contributes to society as a whole and and and I'm here for that, and I know you're here for that and I hope the people that are listening are here for that as well.

Joeri: 36:16

Great. That's a powerful message. At the end of the podcast episodes, people can check out your website. You already mentioned them, but feel free to repeat them.

Anthony: 36:27

It's ryocoin. com, that's for a real coin, and the ryochan. c om is our meme token with utility Just watch us guys, you're going to hear a lot coming out this year.

Anthony: 36:40

There's so many things developing and, by the way, yuri is very instrumental in getting that noise out for us as well. He's very instrumental with us. I highly recommend that everyone listen to Joeri's podcast, because they're not like these polished podcasts that are very commercialized. Joeri's podcasts are to the bone. You get to the meat and you get the pulse on the ground, and that's what I love about it.

Joeri: 37:12

Well, thank you so much for the nice words, the kind words. Anthony, thank you so much for all the wisdom that you gave to us on this podcast episode. It was really a pleasure to have you.

Anthony: 37:26

Thank you. Thank you so much, Joeri.

Joeri: 37:28

Guys, what a powerful, what an amazing episode. Like I said, in Toronto Toronto you really feel the passion that Anthony has for what he's doing and for the space, so I would love for you to share this episode with people around you, you know, because he says crypto for the masses, so it can even be your grandmother. Share this podcast episode with them. If you're not yet following the show, this is a really good moment to hit the subscribe button. And, of course, if you haven't given me this five-star review yet, this would really help me to reach an even bigger audience. And, of course, I would like to see you back next time. Take care.